Monday, January 30, 2012

Where can i buy 12ga beanbag shotgun shells?

I am looking for less leathal home protection. I don't want a stun gun, ninja sword, pepper spray, or a board with a nail in it.

Where can i buy 12ga beanbag shotgun shells?
If you don't have the will or the justification to kill someone dead, you have no business pointing a shotgun at them and it does not matter what ammo you use.



The so-called less lethal ammos are for law enforcement use, although I have some serious ethical problems with any law enforcement using any kind of firearm in a "less-than-lethal" manner.
Reply:I think these are available to law enforcement only.
Reply:If you shoot someone with one, even if they break into your home, you'll be charged with assault at the minimum. The laws on the books in pretty much every state that allows deadly force specifically say that it's an all or nothing deal.



If deadly force is warranted, you have the right to kill the attacker and nothing more. There is *no law* in the US whereby it's legal for you to shoot to wound or use less than lethal force. Either you shoot to kill or you don't shoot.



Even simply saying afterward that you aimed low just to wound him is a crime and will get you tried.
Reply:Beanbags are for longer range less-than-lethal. For distances you're likely to encounter in your home rubber buckshot would provide a lower chance to penetrate. Rubber buckshot's effective range is from 5-20 feet, from there rubber slugs are the best choice for an effective impact without the chance of penetration. Inside five feet you ought to use an OC shell, or flashbang type shell, as the rubber may be lethal at such short ranges. Another method for close ranges is to bounce off of a wall or the ground, which most of the 40mm munitions state clearly in their instructions.



As with any shotgun firing a projectile, it will be considered use of lethal force, so you may actually be better off not leaving anyone to sue you after it's over. Getting hit with lead is far more effective than getting hit with rubber.



Cheaper Than Dirt always has the rubber buckshot, but will sometimes get beanbags, as well frangible breaching slugs.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/lessleth_...
Reply:Look at it this way.



In any situation where you are not justified in using lethal force, using less than lethal or non-lethal projectiles WILL NOT protect you from prosecution.



In addition, these less than lethal projectiles can still injure or even kill at close range. If you shoot someone in your home, and they survive, there is a better than good chance that they will sue the pants off you.



You are better off being the only person involved in the gunfight who can still talk to the police.



Doc
Reply:Look up FIRE QUEST.com you can find them there! I have had tons of different 12 guage ammos from them. Rubber bullets, flamethrower rounds, bean bags, tracer rounds, double slugs and a few others. They are leagal to buy and to have them shipped to most states.
Reply:MidwayUSA.com
Reply:Sorry........But the "REAL" Beanbag Shotgun ammunition is only legal for sale or use by the Military or Law Enforcement Agencies.

There are some "Novelty" after market copies for sale on the Internet ,but don't be fooled, they will not work like the real thing. If a situation you find yourself in warrants a Shotgun to be used, you would be better served to use real buckshot, rather than only go half way and get yourself hurt or worse...
Reply:only avaible to LE....sorry...use rubber buckshot...
Reply:While you may be able to obtain some beanbag rounds or other "less than lethal" shells, it's not a very good idea for private citizens. check out this article for the reason why: http://patc.com/weeklyarticles/beanbags....

For household defense, you ain't going to be shooting more than 10 yards, which is within a lethal range of any type of shotgun ammunition.



And as the name implies, while it MAY be less than lethal, people have died from being shot by such ammunition, so unless your willy to use deadly force in a situation that would warrant you breaking out a shotgun, don't.. Regardless of the outcome, a civil lawyer and possibly the city DA will have a field day with you if you ever used it, not to mention the perp suing you over perceived "pain and suffering" caused by a shotgun wielding "madman" intent on causing maximum suffering and disibilitizing injuries. Don't believe that could/will happen to you? Talk to some lawyers and cops in your area, you may be surprised but what they'd tell you happens when a homeowner tries to do what you've suggested, regardless of your motives.
Reply:move out of your home to a proper place to call HOME


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